{"id":8719,"date":"2019-11-15T14:02:37","date_gmt":"2019-11-15T12:02:37","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/mmfidawla.com\/?p=8719"},"modified":"2019-12-11T14:03:23","modified_gmt":"2019-12-11T12:03:23","slug":"charbel-nahas-le-liban-paye-des-decennies-dillusions","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/mmfidawla.com\/fr\/2019\/11\/15\/charbel-nahas-le-liban-paye-des-decennies-dillusions\/","title":{"rendered":"Charbel Nahas: \u00abLe Liban paye des d\u00e9cennies d\u2019illusions\u00bb"},"content":{"rendered":"\n<style type=\"text\/css\" data-created_by=\"avia_inline_auto\" id=\"style-css-av-4qhcvh-39b5c39c192e9822cc2af8d23396cadb\">\n.flex_column.av-4qhcvh-39b5c39c192e9822cc2af8d23396cadb{\nborder-radius:0px 0px 0px 0px;\npadding:0px 0px 0px 0px;\n}\n<\/style>\n<div  class='flex_column av-4qhcvh-39b5c39c192e9822cc2af8d23396cadb av_three_fourth  avia-builder-el-0  el_before_av_one_fourth  avia-builder-el-first  first flex_column_div av-zero-column-padding  '     ><section  class='av_textblock_section av-jo02aj9o-c747e19ade06532efadb9eaf2e11a914 '   itemscope=\"itemscope\" itemtype=\"https:\/\/schema.org\/BlogPosting\" itemprop=\"blogPost\" ><div class='avia_textblock'  itemprop=\"text\" ><h2 class=\"topTitle\" dir=\"ltr\" style=\"text-align: left;\"><b><span style=\"font-size: xx-large;\">Charbel Nahas: \u00abLe Liban paye des d\u00e9cennies d\u2019illusions\u00bb<\/span><\/b><\/h2>\n<\/div><\/section><br \/>\n<div  class='hr av-36ctod-04a0923b74485b06d58a63d634bda0b4 hr-default  avia-builder-el-2  el_after_av_textblock  el_before_av_textblock '><span class='hr-inner '><span class=\"hr-inner-style\"><\/span><\/span><\/div><br \/>\n<section  class='av_textblock_section av-jpa4dlb3-7f844daeec652e2e27d9eba858697598 '   itemscope=\"itemscope\" itemtype=\"https:\/\/schema.org\/BlogPosting\" itemprop=\"blogPost\" ><div class='avia_textblock'  itemprop=\"text\" ><p dir=\"ltr\">Interview avec Charbel Nahas, publi\u00e9 le 13 Novembre dans LE FIGARO , vous pouvez le retrouver sur ce <a href=\"https:\/\/www.lefigaro.fr\/conjoncture\/charbel-nahas-le-liban-paye-des-decennies-d-illusions-20191113\">lien.<\/a><\/p>\n<p dir=\"ltr\">INTERVIEW &#8211; Charbel Nahas, ancien ministre des t\u00e9l\u00e9communications et du travail, estime que seul un gouvernement la\u00efc, dot\u00e9 de pouvoirs forts, pourra faire sortir le pays de la crise.<\/p>\n<p dir=\"ltr\">Charbel Nahas<em> est un ing\u00e9nieur, \u00e9conomiste et homme politique libanais. Il a \u00e9t\u00e9 ministre des t\u00e9l\u00e9communications et du travail des gouvernements de <\/em>Saad Hariri <em>en 2009 et de<\/em> Najib Makti<em> en 2011. Il est actuellement consultant dans les domaines de l\u2019\u00e9conomie, de la finance, de l\u2019urbanisme et de la sociologie. Il est secr\u00e9taire du mouvement \u00abCitoyens et citoyennes dans un \u00c9tat\u00bb qui milite pour un \u00c9tat la\u00efc au Liban.<\/em><\/p>\n<p dir=\"ltr\"><strong>LE FIGARO.- Les \u00e9tablissements bancaires sont \u00e0 nouveau ferm\u00e9s au Liban depuis mardi. L\u2019\u00e9tat des comptes publics est-il le seul responsable de cette crise de confiance g\u00e9n\u00e9ralis\u00e9e?<\/strong><\/p>\n<p dir=\"ltr\"><strong>Charbel NAHAS.-<\/strong> Le probl\u00e8me initial est celui de la balance des paiements, dont le d\u00e9s\u00e9quilibre est tout simplement gigantesque. Depuis les ann\u00e9es 1990, le pays a re\u00e7u plus de 240 milliards de dollars, \u00e0 travers des transferts, endettements, investissements de toutes sortes, publics ou priv\u00e9s. Ces ressources ont \u00e9t\u00e9 consomm\u00e9es et une partie repr\u00e9sente d\u00e9sormais des pertes, qui se comptent en dizaines de milliards. La dette publique est un des aspects de cette d\u00e9rive, mais les faillites touchent aussi les entreprises, les m\u00e9nages&#8230; Nous importons quasiment la moiti\u00e9 de la consommation, et d\u00e9sormais tout est bloqu\u00e9. <a href=\"https:\/\/www.lefigaro.fr\/flash-actu\/liban-manifestants-en-colere-et-routes-bloquees-apres-un-discours-du-president-20191113\">La situation actuelle est en effet extr\u00eame<\/a> et peut d\u00e9g\u00e9n\u00e9rer.<\/p>\n<p dir=\"ltr\"><strong>L\u2019\u00e9conomie \u00e9tant enti\u00e8rement bloqu\u00e9e, risque-t-on assister \u00e0 une crise sanitaire dans le pays?<\/strong><\/p>\n<p dir=\"ltr\">Elle est d\u00e9j\u00e0 l\u00e0. J\u2019ai \u00e9t\u00e9 inform\u00e9 aujourd\u2019hui que la pharmacie de l\u2019H\u00f4tel-Dieu de France \u00e0 Beyrouth ne peut plus d\u00e9livrer certaines mol\u00e9cules co\u00fbteuses, et se concentre sur les protocoles m\u00e9dicamenteux de base. Il s\u2019agit pourtant de l\u2019h\u00f4pital le mieux achaland\u00e9 du pays. \u00c0 l\u2019\u00e9chelle du pays, la situation est critique.<\/p>\n<p dir=\"ltr\"><strong>Comment l\u2019appareil d\u2019\u00c9tat libanais a-t-il pu laisser la situation d\u00e9g\u00e9n\u00e9rer \u00e0 ce point? Du point de vue \u00e9conomique, comment les comptes ont-ils pu atteindre ces d\u00e9s\u00e9quilibres?<\/strong><\/p>\n<p dir=\"ltr\">Je constate que les gouvernants d\u2019hier ne savent plus quoi faire. Untel se d\u00e9couvre des revendications proches de celles des manifestants, un autre abandonne ses responsabilit\u00e9s&#8230; Ce que montrent tous ces comportements, c\u2019est que l\u2019appareil d\u2019\u00c9tat lui-m\u00eame a d\u00e9missionn\u00e9. Aux manifestations \u00e9normes qui se succ\u00e8dent depuis un mois s\u2019ajoute donc une faillite des \u00e9lites.<\/p>\n<p dir=\"ltr\">Mais celle-ci date en fait de bien avant. Normalement, ce qu\u2019on appelait la \u00abr\u00e9silience libanaise\u00bb aurait d\u00fb faire jouer des m\u00e9canismes r\u00e9gulateurs. Lorsque les d\u00e9ficits de balance des paiements atteignent de tels niveaux, la situation ne peut durer plus de deux ou trois ans. Ensuite, dans un syst\u00e8me sain, une crise de change ou une faillite financi\u00e8re surviennent, une restructuration de dette est mise en \u0153uvre&#8230; Ce qui se paye aujourd\u2019hui, ce sont des d\u00e9cennies d\u2019illusions au cours desquelles ces ph\u00e9nom\u00e8nes correctifs ont \u00e9t\u00e9 \u00e0 chaque fois bloqu\u00e9s soit politiquement, comme lors de la conf\u00e9rence de Paris II, \u00e0 la veille de l\u2019invasion am\u00e9ricaine de l\u2019Irak, soit du fait d\u2019opportunit\u00e9s \u00e9conomiques qui ont \u00e9t\u00e9 utilis\u00e9es pour prolonger la situation, comme la flamb\u00e9e des prix du p\u00e9trole entre 2006 et 2014. Le m\u00e9canisme d\u2019accumulation des pertes se poursuivait, alors qu\u2019on croyait que la machine tournait.<\/p>\n<p dir=\"ltr\"><strong>Quel \u00e9tait le degr\u00e9 de conscience du probl\u00e8me de la part des dirigeants?<\/strong><\/p>\n<p dir=\"ltr\">Il est toujours difficile de faire la part de l\u2019inconscience et du machiav\u00e9lisme pour les personnes qui se sont succ\u00e9d\u00e9 aux responsabilit\u00e9s. Je ne pense pas que la majorit\u00e9 de nos chefs et responsables aient \u00e9t\u00e9 conscients de la situation. Le gouverneur de la banque centrale [Riad Salam\u00e9, ndlr] souligne aujourd\u2019hui que les \u00e9l\u00e9ments \u00e9taient connus par lui mais qu\u2019en l\u2019absence de toute alternative politique, il lui \u00e9tait demand\u00e9 de prendre des d\u00e9cisions qui d\u00e9passaient ses responsabilit\u00e9s.<\/p>\n<p dir=\"ltr\"><strong>La sortie de crise implique-t-elle, comme le d\u00e9fend votre mouvement \u00abCitoyens et citoyennes dans un \u00c9tat\u00bb, de changer de syst\u00e8me politique?<\/strong><\/p>\n<p dir=\"ltr\">Des arrangements politiques peuvent sans doute encore se produire, mais ils ont peu de chances de survivre plus de quelques mois. C\u2019est pourquoi je pense en effet que tout le syst\u00e8me politique communautaire doit aujourd\u2019hui \u00eatre remis en cause. Concr\u00e8tement, il faut remplacer notre syst\u00e8me confessionnel par un gouvernement la\u00efc disposant, pour une p\u00e9riode de douze \u00e0 dix-huit mois, de pouvoirs l\u00e9gislatifs \u00e9tendus. Ce dernier aura pour principale mission de distribuer rationnellement les pertes en fonction des acteurs \u00e9conomiques: \u00c9tat mais aussi entreprises, m\u00e9nages, etc. et de jeter les bases d\u2019une l\u00e9gitimit\u00e9 la\u00efque. Ensuite, des \u00e9lections pourront avoir lieu.<\/p>\n<p dir=\"ltr\"><strong>Comment les diff\u00e9rentes communaut\u00e9s pourraient-elles abandonner ainsi leurs pouvoirs?<\/strong><\/p>\n<p dir=\"ltr\">Il n\u2019y a pas d\u2019alternative! Les communaut\u00e9s sont des structures politiques qui sont forc\u00e9ment conflictuelles \u00e0 l\u2019\u00e9chelle du Liban. Leur raison d\u2019\u00eatre, leur attitude ne peut \u00eatre qu\u2019offensive ou d\u00e9fensive les unes par rapport aux autres. Un gouvernement qui repose sur cette logique de tension ne pourra pas avoir l\u2019assise suffisante pour prendre les mesures douloureuses qui s\u2019imposent. Il faut tabler sur un niveau minimal de responsabilit\u00e9 des acteurs actuels, qui accepteraient de renoncer pacifiquement \u00e0 leur syst\u00e8me, avec les pr\u00e9rogatives tangibles qui y sont pourtant associ\u00e9es. Au fond, il faut que tout le monde s\u2019accorde \u00e0 reconna\u00eetre l\u2019incapacit\u00e9 structurelle du syst\u00e8me actuel de faire face \u00e0 la crise. Mais les transitions d\u2019un r\u00e9gime politico-\u00e9conomique \u00e0 un autre ne se passent pas aux moments o\u00f9 tout va bien&#8230; Cette crise est la seule opportunit\u00e9.<\/p>\n<p dir=\"ltr\"><strong>S\u2019agit-il d\u2019une approche technique pour r\u00e9soudre un probl\u00e8me conjoncturel, ou d\u2019une vision \u00e0 plus long terme?<\/strong><\/p>\n<p dir=\"ltr\">Non, il s\u2019agit d\u2019un projet \u00e9minemment politique. Il faut que ce gouvernement jette les bases d\u2019une nouvelle organisation de la d\u00e9mocratie libanaise. 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