{"id":8724,"date":"2019-10-26T14:05:23","date_gmt":"2019-10-26T11:05:23","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/mmfidawla.com\/?p=8724"},"modified":"2019-12-11T14:29:13","modified_gmt":"2019-12-11T12:29:13","slug":"le-monde","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/mmfidawla.com\/fr\/2019\/10\/26\/le-monde\/","title":{"rendered":"Au Liban, le pouvoir communautaire est tomb\u00e9"},"content":{"rendered":"\n<style type=\"text\/css\" data-created_by=\"avia_inline_auto\" id=\"style-css-av-4qhcvh-39b5c39c192e9822cc2af8d23396cadb\">\n.flex_column.av-4qhcvh-39b5c39c192e9822cc2af8d23396cadb{\nborder-radius:0px 0px 0px 0px;\npadding:0px 0px 0px 0px;\n}\n<\/style>\n<div  class='flex_column av-4qhcvh-39b5c39c192e9822cc2af8d23396cadb av_three_fourth  avia-builder-el-0  el_before_av_one_fourth  avia-builder-el-first  first flex_column_div av-zero-column-padding  '     ><section  class='av_textblock_section av-jo02aj9o-c747e19ade06532efadb9eaf2e11a914 '   itemscope=\"itemscope\" itemtype=\"https:\/\/schema.org\/BlogPosting\" itemprop=\"blogPost\" ><div class='avia_textblock'  itemprop=\"text\" ><h2 class=\"topTitle\" dir=\"ltr\" style=\"text-align: left;\">Au Liban, le pouvoir communautaire est tomb\u00e9<\/h2>\n<\/div><\/section><br \/>\n<div  class='hr av-36ctod-04a0923b74485b06d58a63d634bda0b4 hr-default  avia-builder-el-2  el_after_av_textblock  el_before_av_textblock '><span class='hr-inner '><span class=\"hr-inner-style\"><\/span><\/span><\/div><br \/>\n<section  class='av_textblock_section av-jpa4dlb3-7f844daeec652e2e27d9eba858697598 '   itemscope=\"itemscope\" itemtype=\"https:\/\/schema.org\/BlogPosting\" itemprop=\"blogPost\" ><div class='avia_textblock'  itemprop=\"text\" ><p dir=\"ltr\">Article publi\u00e9 dans le journal Le Monde le 26 Octobre 2019 et disponible sur ce <a href=\"https:\/\/www.lemonde.fr\/international\/article\/2019\/10\/26\/au-liban-le-pouvoir-communautaire-est-tombe_6017019_3210.html\">lien<\/a>.<\/p>\n<blockquote>\n<p dir=\"ltr\">Ancien ministre libanais du travail, l\u2019\u00e9conomiste Charbel Nahas appelle de ses v\u0153ux un nouvel ex\u00e9cutif qui disposerait des pleins pouvoirs.<\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n<p dir=\"ltr\"><em> Propos recueillis par Benjamin Barthe et Laure Stephan<\/em><\/p>\n<p dir=\"ltr\">L\u2019\u00e9conomiste libanais Charbel Nahas, 65 ans, ancien ministre des t\u00e9l\u00e9communications et du travail, est l\u2019actuel directeur de Citoyens et citoyennes dans un Etat, une association qui aspire \u00e0 b\u00e2tir un \u00ab Etat la\u00efque, d\u00e9mocratique, juste et efficace \u00bb. Cette grande voix r\u00e9formatrice de gauche, engag\u00e9e dans la protestation qui secoue le pays du c\u00e8dre, fait partie d\u2019un groupe informel d\u2019intellectuels, de militants et d\u2019experts, qui s\u2019efforce de pr\u00e9parer une possible transition politique.<\/p>\n<p dir=\"ltr\"><strong>A quoi assiste-t-on ? Un coup de gueule g\u00e9ant ? Une r\u00e9volte ? Une r\u00e9volution ?<\/strong><\/p>\n<p dir=\"ltr\">On assiste \u00e0 la c\u00e9l\u00e9bration de la fin d\u2019un r\u00e9gime. La soci\u00e9t\u00e9 libanaise s\u2019est soumise apr\u00e8s la guerre civile [1975-1990] \u00e0 un mode de pouvoir qui est \u00e0 bout parce que la condition indispensable \u00e0 son fonctionnement \u2013 drainer une quantit\u00e9 croissante de milliards de dollars chaque ann\u00e9e \u2013 est en panne. Une survie artificielle lui a \u00e9t\u00e9 assur\u00e9e depuis quatre ans. Le gouvernement fran\u00e7ais a particip\u00e9 \u00e0 cet effort avec le c\u00e9r\u00e9monial de C\u00e8dre [conf\u00e9rence des bailleurs de fonds du Liban, en avril 2018, au cours de laquelle 11 milliards de dollars lui ont \u00e9t\u00e9 promis sous condition de r\u00e9formes].<\/p>\n<p dir=\"ltr\"><strong>Vous voulez dire que le pouvoir est d\u00e9j\u00e0 tomb\u00e9 ?<\/strong><\/p>\n<p dir=\"ltr\">C\u2019est ce que les Libanais hurlent dans la rue. Ce qui se passe ici ne ressemble pas \u00e0 ce qui s\u2019est pass\u00e9 dans les pays du printemps arabe. Ces r\u00e9gimes fonctionnaient mal, mais ils fonctionnaient. Ici, le pouvoir est tomb\u00e9 tout seul. Ce ne sont pas les manifestants qui ont cr\u00e9\u00e9 la crise financi\u00e8re et politique, c\u2019est l\u2019inverse. En mai 2018, les gens ont vot\u00e9 \u00e0 pr\u00e8s de 90 % pour les partis au gouvernement. Mais aujourd\u2019hui, ils ne sont plus embrigad\u00e9s. Le pouvoir communautaire est tomb\u00e9. Les gens le disent chacun \u00e0 leur mani\u00e8re, avec des blagues, parfois des grossi\u00e8ret\u00e9s. Ils viennent aussi proposer une alternative. Et cette alternative, \u00e0 notre sens, doit \u00eatre un Etat la\u00efque.<\/p>\n<p dir=\"ltr\"><strong>Quel a \u00e9t\u00e9 le d\u00e9clencheur du mouvement ?<\/strong><\/p>\n<p dir=\"ltr\">Dans ce moment tr\u00e8s critique, des idiots ont pris des dispositions d\u2019une insolence incroyable. Je pense au ministre des t\u00e9l\u00e9communications, Mohamed Choucair. Il a cru pouvoir lever 240 millions de dollars [215 millions d\u2019euros], en taxant les appels sur WhatsApp, alors que quinze jours plus t\u00f4t, il avait utilis\u00e9 120 millions de dollars de deniers publics pour installer, dans un immeuble cossu du centre-ville, les bureaux d\u2019un r\u00e9seau de t\u00e9l\u00e9phonie mobile d\u00e9tenu par l\u2019Etat. Cet acte de provocation a suscit\u00e9 une r\u00e9action populaire \u00e9norme. C\u2019est comme si Mohamed Choucair avait retir\u00e9 la goupille d\u2019un ressort.<\/p>\n<p dir=\"ltr\"><strong>Hassan Nasrallah, le chef du mouvement chiite Hezbollah, qui est oppos\u00e9 \u00e0 toute d\u00e9mission du gouvernement, a prononc\u00e9 vendredi un discours tr\u00e8s ferme. Il s\u2019est efforc\u00e9 de discr\u00e9diter les manifestants, en insinuant qu\u2019ils ont partie li\u00e9e avec des int\u00e9r\u00eats \u00e9trangers, tout en cherchant \u00e0 leur faire peur, en brandissant le spectre du chaos. Comment r\u00e9agissez-vous ?<\/strong><\/p>\n<p dir=\"ltr\">Le logiciel communautaire s\u2019applique pleinement au Hezbollah. Il est incapable de comprendre qu\u2019il y a une vraie soci\u00e9t\u00e9 libanaise travaill\u00e9e par des m\u00e9canismes \u00e9conomiques. Dans l\u2019esprit de Nasrallah, il n\u2019y a que des pro-Saoudiens, des pro-Am\u00e9ricains, etc. Cette approche vaut aussi pour les acteurs ext\u00e9rieurs, qui ne voient au Liban que des communaut\u00e9s, le Hezbollah en \u00e9tant une. C\u2019est l\u2019absence d\u2019Etat qui explique que Nasrallah a mis en jeu son cr\u00e9dit consid\u00e9rable, pour d\u00e9fendre un syst\u00e8me ind\u00e9fendable.<\/p>\n<p dir=\"ltr\"><strong>Que pensez-vous du programme de r\u00e9formes propos\u00e9 lundi par le premier ministre Saad Hariri en r\u00e9action aux manifestations ?<\/strong><\/p>\n<p dir=\"ltr\">C\u2019est un t\u00e9moignage flagrant d\u2019incapacit\u00e9. Le premier ministre nous dit que les d\u00e9penses d\u2019investissement seront hors budget, que ce sera g\u00e9r\u00e9 par les pr\u00eateurs externes car sinon, si c\u2019est g\u00e9r\u00e9 localement, il y aura du vol. Ca se passe de commentaires. L\u2019annonce d\u2019un d\u00e9ficit \u00e0 0,63 % par simple r\u00e9duction du service de la dette est de l\u2019esbroufe.<\/p>\n<p dir=\"ltr\">Hariri a aussi annonc\u00e9 une baisse de 50 % des salaires des ministres. Soit ces salaires \u00e9taient tellement mirobolants qu\u2019ils peuvent continuer \u00e0 vivre avec la moiti\u00e9 en moins, soit c\u2019est une blague. Et puis dans les mesures de Hariri, il y a des sales coups. Je pense \u00e0 l\u2019annonce de la privatisation du secteur des t\u00e9l\u00e9coms, du port, et de la compagnie a\u00e9rienne nationale [Middle East Airlines]. Quel investisseur normal viendrait mettre ses sous dans un pays qui est en situation de faillite effective ? Le fait m\u00eame d\u2019annoncer cela est un crime.<\/p>\n<p dir=\"ltr\"><strong>Qu\u2019avez-vous pens\u00e9 du discours du pr\u00e9sident Michel Aoun, qui a pris la parole jeudi, pour inviter les manifestants \u00e0 venir discuter avec lui ?<\/strong><\/p>\n<p dir=\"ltr\">En France, Emmanuel Macron et Edouard Philippe peuvent organiser un grand d\u00e9bat car la machine de l\u2019Etat fonctionne. Mais avec ce gouvernement, \u00e0 quoi bon discuter ? Demander \u00e0 des gens incapables de descendre dans la rue sans garde du corps surarm\u00e9, de poursuivre des voleurs et d\u2019organiser des \u00e9lections, c\u2019est une blague. La seule chose qui m\u00e9rite d\u2019\u00eatre discut\u00e9e avec eux, c\u2019est comment assurer une transition pacifique, sans que les gens aillent piller les supermarch\u00e9s.<\/p>\n<p dir=\"ltr\"><strong>Comment, justement ?<\/strong><\/p>\n<p dir=\"ltr\">La seule option qui reste \u00e0 ces dirigeants est de c\u00e9der leur place. L\u2019Etat ne peut plus \u00eatre constitu\u00e9 par une association de communaut\u00e9s dont la l\u00e9gitimit\u00e9 pr\u00e9existe \u00e0 celle de l\u2019Etat. L\u2019Etat ne peut plus \u00eatre repr\u00e9sent\u00e9 par des chefs de bande communautaires et des milliardaires, qui, lorsqu\u2019ils sont d\u2019accord, font des combines et lorsqu\u2019ils ne sont pas d\u2019accord, bloquent tout. Il faut d\u00e9placer cette l\u00e9gitimit\u00e9 vers un pouvoir la\u00efque. Sinon personne n\u2019arrivera \u00e0 relever le pays.<\/p>\n<p dir=\"ltr\"><strong>A quoi ressemble le nouvel ex\u00e9cutif que vous appelez de vos v\u0153ux ?<\/strong><\/p>\n<p dir=\"ltr\">Il faut un gouvernement avec les pleins pouvoirs. Les banquiers nous contactent tous les jours. Ils r\u00e9clament un contr\u00f4le renforc\u00e9 des mouvements de capitaux. Il n\u2019y a plus un dollar dans leurs caisses. Vu la gravit\u00e9 de la situation, il y a une n\u00e9cessit\u00e9 de pouvoirs exceptionnels.<\/p>\n<p dir=\"ltr\"><strong>Plus un dollar ?<\/strong><\/p>\n<p dir=\"ltr\">Les banquiers consid\u00e8rent que dans les jours qui suivront la r\u00e9ouverture de leurs \u00e9tablissements, 3 milliards de dollars seront demand\u00e9s et ils ne les ont pas. Ils sont paniqu\u00e9s. Les m\u00e9dias sont dans le d\u00e9ni. Nous avons d\u00e9j\u00e0 mis en place un contr\u00f4le en termes de conversion et de transfert. Cela fonctionne de mani\u00e8re s\u00e9lective, mais nous y sommes d\u00e9j\u00e0. Le maximum a d\u00e9j\u00e0 \u00e9t\u00e9 fait, comme en Gr\u00e8ce, \u00e0 l\u2019\u00e9poque de la crise financi\u00e8re.<\/p>\n<p dir=\"ltr\"><strong>Pour le gouvernement, la machine n\u2019est pas cass\u00e9e, juste ab\u00eem\u00e9e. Les ambassadeurs europ\u00e9ens sont d\u2019ailleurs all\u00e9s dire \u00e0 Saad Hariri que sa feuille de route est formidable\u2026<\/strong><\/p>\n<p dir=\"ltr\">Les ambassadeurs europ\u00e9ens n\u2019ont pas \u00e0 intervenir dans les affaires int\u00e9rieures du Liban. Le fait qu\u2019ils reviennent donner du cr\u00e9dit \u00e0 cette bande d\u2019incapables n\u2019est pas admissible. Jugez plut\u00f4t : deux heures apr\u00e8s les annonces de Hariri, lundi, l\u2019association des banques a annonc\u00e9 que celles-ci resteront ferm\u00e9es mardi. Les banquiers, eux, ont compris que la feuille de route de Hariri est un coup d\u2019\u00e9p\u00e9e dans l\u2019eau.<\/p>\n<p dir=\"ltr\"><strong>Que se passera-t-il si la page ne se tourne pas et que le syst\u00e8me se maintient ?<\/strong><\/p>\n<p dir=\"ltr\">Nous allons tr\u00e8s probablement vers la violence. Les gens sont convaincus qu\u2019ils ont des dollars \u00e0 la banque, qu\u2019ils passent des contrats en dollars, mais il n\u2019y a pas de dollars \u00e0 la banque. Vous imaginez comment ils vont se bousculer. N\u2019oublions pas, par ailleurs, que les responsables actuels sont pour la plupart des ex-chefs de guerre dont les mains ont tremp\u00e9 dans le sang. Certains r\u00e9gimes dans la r\u00e9gion peuvent aussi vouloir rentrer dans le bazar. Le risque de violence est tr\u00e8s s\u00e9rieux, soit manipul\u00e9 soit par effet de d\u00e9sordre.<\/p>\n<p dir=\"ltr\"><strong>Quel serait l\u2019impact, au niveau r\u00e9gional, d\u2019une transition r\u00e9ussie ?<\/strong><\/p>\n<p dir=\"ltr\">Le Proche-Orient est la r\u00e9gion o\u00f9 la tendance mondiale du retour \u00e0 des rapports de force brutaux, qu\u2019il soit militaires ou financiers, s\u2019observe le mieux. Cette \u00e9volution s\u2019accompagne d\u2019une instrumentalisation syst\u00e9matique des identit\u00e9s. Mais ce qui se passe pour l\u2019instant au Liban va dans le sens inverse. Si nous r\u00e9ussissons \u00e0 mettre en place un pouvoir autor\u00e9f\u00e9renc\u00e9, qui tire sa l\u00e9gitimit\u00e9 de son propre fonctionnement, qui n\u2019a besoin d\u2019inviter \u00e0 ses c\u00f4t\u00e9s ni des dieux, ni des religions, ni des bases militaires \u00e9trang\u00e8res, ce sera une chose excessivement positive. 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