{"id":9918,"date":"2020-08-12T15:30:22","date_gmt":"2020-08-12T12:30:22","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/mmfidawla.com\/?p=9918"},"modified":"2020-08-12T15:35:41","modified_gmt":"2020-08-12T12:35:41","slug":"cn-humanite-2","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/mmfidawla.com\/fr\/2020\/08\/12\/cn-humanite-2\/","title":{"rendered":"Liban:\u00a0\u00abUne n\u00e9gociation am\u00e9ricano-iranienne se d\u00e9roule en coulisse\u00bb"},"content":{"rendered":"\n<style type=\"text\/css\" data-created_by=\"avia_inline_auto\" id=\"style-css-av-4qhcvh-39b5c39c192e9822cc2af8d23396cadb\">\n.flex_column.av-4qhcvh-39b5c39c192e9822cc2af8d23396cadb{\nborder-radius:0px 0px 0px 0px;\npadding:0px 0px 0px 0px;\n}\n<\/style>\n<div  class='flex_column av-4qhcvh-39b5c39c192e9822cc2af8d23396cadb av_three_fourth  avia-builder-el-0  el_before_av_one_fourth  avia-builder-el-first  first flex_column_div av-zero-column-padding  '     ><section  class='av_textblock_section av-jo02aj9o-c747e19ade06532efadb9eaf2e11a914 '   itemscope=\"itemscope\" itemtype=\"https:\/\/schema.org\/BlogPosting\" itemprop=\"blogPost\" ><div class='avia_textblock'  itemprop=\"text\" ><h1 class=\"topTitle\" dir=\"ltr\" style=\"text-align: left;\">Liban:\u00a0\u00abUne n\u00e9gociation am\u00e9ricano-iranienne se d\u00e9roule en coulisse\u00bb<\/h1>\n<\/div><\/section><br \/>\n<div  class='hr av-36ctod-04a0923b74485b06d58a63d634bda0b4 hr-default  avia-builder-el-2  el_after_av_textblock  el_before_av_textblock '><span class='hr-inner '><span class=\"hr-inner-style\"><\/span><\/span><\/div><br \/>\n<section  class='av_textblock_section av-jpa4dlb3-7f844daeec652e2e27d9eba858697598 '   itemscope=\"itemscope\" itemtype=\"https:\/\/schema.org\/BlogPosting\" itemprop=\"blogPost\" ><div class='avia_textblock'  itemprop=\"text\" ><div dir=\"ltr\" style=\"text-align: left;\"><\/div>\n<div dir=\"ltr\" style=\"text-align: left;\"><\/div>\n<p dir=\"ltr\" style=\"text-align: left;\"><strong>Entretien r\u00e9alis\u00e9 par Pierre Barbancey publi\u00e9 dans\u00a0L&rsquo;Humanit\u00e9 du mercredi, 12 ao\u00fbt 2020 dans le\u00a0cadre d&rsquo;un dossier dont les articles sont\u00a0disponibles\u00a0sur les liens suivants:<\/strong><\/p>\n<ul dir=\"ltr\" style=\"text-align: left;\">\n<li><a href=\"https:\/\/www.humanite.fr\/editorial-debout-692377\">\u00c9ditorial. Debout\u2009!<\/a><\/li>\n<li><a href=\"https:\/\/www.humanite.fr\/liban-une-semaine-apres-beyrouth-entre-deuil-et-manoeuvres-politiques-692378\">Liban. Une semaine apr\u00e8s, Beyrouth entre deuil et man\u0153uvres politiques<\/a><\/li>\n<li><a href=\"https:\/\/www.humanite.fr\/charbel-nahas-une-negociation-americano-iranienne-est-loeuvre-au-liban-692380\">Charbel Nahas : \u00ab\u2009Une n\u00e9gociation am\u00e9ricano-iranienne est \u00e0 l\u2019\u0153uvre au Liban\u2009\u00bb<\/a><\/li>\n<li><a href=\"https:\/\/www.humanite.fr\/narrive-toujours-pas-accepter-692379\">\u00ab\u2009On n\u2019arrive toujours pas \u00e0 accepter\u2009\u00bb<\/a><\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<p dir=\"ltr\" style=\"text-align: left;\">Les progressistes du mouvement de Charbel Nahas et les communistes libanais tentent d\u2019\u00e9viter le pi\u00e8ge tendu par le r\u00e9gime actuel et les interventions ext\u00e9rieures, comme celle d\u2019Emmanuel Macron.<br \/>\n<b>\u00a0<\/b><br \/>\n<b>Quel sens donnez-vous \u00e0 la d\u00e9mission du gouvernement de Hassane Diab, lundi soir ?\u00a0<\/b><br \/>\nCHARBEL NAHAS: D\u00e8s le d\u00e9part, ce gouvernement n\u2019\u00e9tait qu\u2019une illusion. Un masque derri\u00e8re lequel se cachent trois des six chefs qui avaient la conviction de pouvoir tenir face \u00e0 ce qu\u2019ils consid\u00e9raient comme un complot. Il s\u2019agit du pr\u00e9sident Aoun, le chef du Hezbollah Hassan Nasrallah et du pr\u00e9sident du Parlement, Nabih Berri. Les trois autres (Saad Hariri, ancien premier ministre, Samir Geaga des Forces libanaise et le leader druze Walid Joumblatt \u2013 NDLR) ont fait semblant d\u2019\u00eatre des r\u00e9volutionnaires. Tout le syst\u00e8me socio-politique, tout le r\u00e9gime s\u2019est effondr\u00e9. Ce dernier avait pour objectif de gagner du temps, en pariant sur un arrangement a minima entre les \u00c9tats-Unis et l\u2019Iran, avec un r\u00f4le d\u2019interm\u00e9diaire pour la France. On voit bien que ce r\u00e9gime n\u2019est pas capable de prendre une d\u00e9cision. Chacun joue son r\u00f4le de chef de communaut\u00e9 avec ses connexions externes. L\u2019explosion du port accentue la trag\u00e9die sociale et \u00e9conomique que traverse le pays. Et fait la d\u00e9monstration que ce syst\u00e8me est structurellement incapable de r\u00e9pondre \u00e0 ces r\u00e9alit\u00e9s. Plus grave encore, le pouvoir en place se contente aujourd\u2019hui de se positionner par rapport aux acteurs externes. Il y a ceux pour la neutralit\u00e9, ceux pour la r\u00e9sistance, ceux qui veulent se tourner vers l\u2019est \u2013 l\u2019Iran et la Chine \u2013, d\u2019autres vers le temple occidental\u2026 La menace d\u2019un glissement vers la guerre civile est r\u00e9elle.<br \/>\n<b>\u00a0<\/b><br \/>\n<b>Un vide est cr\u00e9\u00e9 par la d\u00e9mission du gouvernement. Est-ce le Parlement qui reprend les r\u00eanes ?\u00a0<\/b><br \/>\nCHARBEL NAHAS: Il n\u2019y a pas de r\u00e9el Parlement. Il y a une coop\u00e9rative, une bande de six chefs qui chacun con\u00e7oit la politique comme \u00e9tant la d\u00e9fense des int\u00e9r\u00eats de sa communaut\u00e9 et s\u2019arrange pour faire illusion. Quand il faut \u00eatre d\u00e9mocrate, ils font des \u00e9lections, constituent des gouvernements. Mais, en r\u00e9alit\u00e9, ils ont organis\u00e9 un r\u00e9gime qui existe depuis trente ans, qui s\u2019efforce d\u2019ajuster sans cesse ses positions en fonction de l\u2019\u00e9volution des rapports de forces r\u00e9gionaux et internationaux. Chacun pr\u00e9serve ainsi son pr\u00e9 carr\u00e9 et maintient des connexions avec divers acteurs : les \u00c9tats-Unis, la France, la Chine, l\u2019Iran, l\u2019Arabie saoudite\u2026 \u00ab Une n\u00e9gociation am\u00e9ricanoiranienne se d\u00e9roule en coulisse \u00bb Si les six chefs se mettent d\u2019accord, les parlementaires suivront et voteront ce qu\u2019ils souhaitent. C\u2019est pareil pour les \u00e9lections qui sont organis\u00e9es lorsque le r\u00e9sultat attendu du scrutin leur convient. Aujourd\u2019hui, ils ne l\u2019envisagent pas du fait des r\u00e9cents bouleversements. Aoun et Hariri, par exemple, qui sont tr\u00e8s bas dans les sondages, ne souhaitent pas d\u2019\u00e9lections. Il s\u2019av\u00e8re totalement illusoire de croire qu\u2019il pourrait y en avoir.<br \/>\n<b>\u00a0<\/b><br \/>\n<b>Cette attitude n\u2019ouvre-t-elle pas la porte \u00e0 des interventions ext\u00e9rieures comme l\u2019illustre la visite d\u2019Emmanuel Macron, en lien avec Riyad et Washington ?\u00a0<\/b><br \/>\nCHARBEL NAHAS: Lors de sa visite \u00e0 Beyrouth, le 6 ao\u00fbt, Macron a donn\u00e9 un gage formel au Hezbollah en invitant \u00e0 l\u2019ambassade le chef de leur groupe parlementaire. Le Hezbollah y a vu un signe de reconnaissance pour la suite et la preuve que les \u00c9tats-Unis se cachaient derri\u00e8re Macron. D\u2019autre part, il a pos\u00e9 des conditions politiques \u00e0 cette aide, li\u00e9es \u00e0 la d\u00e9militarisation de Beyrouth, le r\u00f4le de la Force int\u00e9rimaire des Nations unies au Liban. C\u2019est donc une n\u00e9gociation am\u00e9ricano-iranienne \u00e0 laquelle se pr\u00eatent les acteurs locaux, sans se soucier un seul instant de la possible implosion interne qui peut en r\u00e9sulter s\u2019il n\u2019y a pas un accord rapidement. En attendant, le pays, lui, se dirige vers la guerre civile.<br \/>\n<b>\u00a0<\/b><br \/>\n<b>Quelle est la porte de sortie possible ?\u00a0<\/b><br \/>\nCHARBEL NAHAS: Il faut qu\u2019il y ait autre chose que ces deux options qui semblent se dessiner et sur lesquelles aucun Libanais n\u2019a de prise : un arrangement externe qui se traduirait probablement par une sorte de gouvernement militaire de fa\u00e7ade ou un \u00e9clatement qui pourrait toucher l\u2019arm\u00e9e libanaise. Nous essayons de faire \u00e9merger une alternative radicale et structur\u00e9e. Nous discutons avec des g\u00e9n\u00e9raux \u00e0 la retraite pour avoir une voix qui freine un engagement possible de l\u2019arm\u00e9e dans un arrangement s\u00e9curitaire. Car elle est compos\u00e9e de recrues des diff\u00e9rents chefs communautaires et pourrait, en cas d\u2019instrumentalisation, se trouver en position d\u2019\u00e9clatement.\u00a0<b><br \/>\n<\/b><b>\u00a0<\/b><\/p>\n<\/div><\/section><br \/>\n<div  class='av-buildercomment av-aenl8-ba15a24ce0282c24553b0581a05939d4'><\/div><br \/>\n<div  class='hr av-2929i4-777fc9eaf0f801963dab2bdf922e9490 hr-default  avia-builder-el-5  el_after_av_comments_list  el_before_av_social_share '><span class='hr-inner '><span class=\"hr-inner-style\"><\/span><\/span><\/div><br \/>\n<div  class='av-social-sharing-box av-ao6m0-3fe04660fe53d2dfce528be7b45e8fb8 av-social-sharing-box-default  avia-builder-el-6  el_after_av_hr  avia-builder-el-last  av-social-sharing-box-fullwidth'><div class=\"av-share-box\"><h5 class='av-share-link-description av-no-toc '>Share this entry<\/h5><ul class=\"av-share-box-list noLightbox\"><li class='av-share-link av-social-link-facebook' ><a target=\"_blank\" aria-label=\"Partager 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